[Cz-biology] Species names

Fri Oct 26 09:45:35 CDT 2007

I followed the previous mails on this topic and I completely agree with John M.
Ghislain Nicaise

>Hello Biologists,
>
>I think we are making too large an issue of this. Of course there are
>multiple common names, and I see no reason why we can't employ one of the
>most often used as the main title (Giant Panda, Fruit Fly, Tomato plant)
>followed by the scientific name, with a list of other common names from
>around the world. All terms would link to the same page. If closely related
>subspecies exist, we have them listed as well.
>
>1. Primary common name
>	a. scientific name
>		b. other common names (and countries of usage)
>			c. subspecies
>				d. location in phylogenetic tree
>
>
>I just don't see that a large number of articles are going to be written any
>time soon which cover species without common names in detail. And of course,
>if someone were to write an article on Escherichia coli, the article will
>need to have that title (with E. coli as a common abbreviation). No problems
>there. See here: http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/E._coli
>
>I think that the major consensus here is that we should strive to use the
>most often used common name, if one is available, followed immediately by
>the scientific name in parentheses, followed by a list of alternate common
>names. This would be totally non-ambiguous, and would give lots of detail in
>providing alternate common names. Often, people don't know that there are
>multiple common names, so providing them would be useful to many readers.
>
>Best,
>
>John M.
>Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
>Bethesda Maryland
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cz-biology-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org
>[mailto:cz-biology-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of Kim van
>der Linde
>Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:55 AM
>To: Biology Workgroup List
>Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Species names
>
>David,
>
>Look at for example the site of Tree-of-Life: http://www.tolweb.org/ all
>name there a re on the scientific name only, for example
>http://www.tolweb.org/Barnardius_zonarius/91491 and there are various other
>websites doing the same.
>
>The scholarly consensus various per species, the fluffier the more the
>common name is used, but many many science articles use 'Drosophila'
>(strictly speaking a genus name) synonymous for 'Drosophila melanogaster',
>but none in their right mind would suggest to do that for a encyclopaedia
>article.
>
>If it is all a popularity contest, that is fine, but I hope to avoid that.
>
>Kim
>
>David Goodman wrote:
>>  It's consistent all right, but  I thought we were to represent the
>>  scholarly consensus. The scholarly consensus of journal editors is to
>>  do nothing of the sort., as i showed for the panda. I was unable to
>>  find one single article in one single journal in all of Biological
>>  Abstracts where the title was the way we proposed it. The usages was
>>  about evenly split in article titles between Common name (scientific
>  > name) and Common name only.
>>
>>  Conceivably this is an exception. I'll try some other examples.
>>
>>  David Goodman
>>
>>  On 10/25/07, Kim van der Linde <kim at kimvdlinde.com> wrote:
>>>  For those who just through this medium jump in to the very specific
>>>  case (Giant Panda), please see the discussion of this at
>>>  http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ_Talk:Biology_Workgroup at the
>>>  various entries. Before people based on the Giant Panda make
>>>  decisions for many species, please consider the following:
>>>
>>>  1. We have (multiple) common names for the fluffy and the furry and
>>>  the beautiful stuff, but there are many many without a common name:
>>>  1a. What about those without a common name?
>>>  1b. What about those with a very uncommon used common name?
>>>  1c. What if one species has two or more common names (for example:
>>>  Monk parrot (British) versus Quacker Parrot (parts of the US); Cougar
>>>  or Mountain Lion or Puma) 1d. What about common names used for
>>>  multiple groups (for example: are the Drosophilidae or the
>  >> Tethritidae the fruitflies)?
>>>
>>>  2. Each and every name can be created as a redirect to the specific
>>>  page, as such, Giant Panda
>>>  (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Giant_Panda)
>>>  redirects to
>>>  http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Ailuropoda_melanoleuca_(Giant_Panda)
>>>  just as http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Ailuropoda_melanoleuca should
>>>  point to
>>>  http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Ailuropoda_melanoleuca_(Giant_Panda)
>>>  just as Bai Xiong, Bamboo Bear, Da Xiong Mao, Hua Xiong, Mo, Pi xiu,
>>>  Panda and Panda Bear. As such, searching is not an issue at all, and
>>>  both the title as well as the first sentence makes immediately clear
>>>  what is going on.
>>>
>>>  Base on al this, it was proposed on the Biology workgroup talkpage to
>>>  use the following solution:
>>>  ----------------
>>>  # Each species or higher taxon, except exceptions below, are to be
>>>  written under their official scientific name. If there is a single
>>>  established common name, that name is included in the title between
>>>  parenthesis. (e.g. "''Barnardius zonarius'' (Australian Ringneck)").
>>>  # Groups that are included in the "''Latin name'' (Common name)" system
>are:
>>>  #* Birds ([http://www.worldbirdnames.org/names.html offcial names]).
>>>  #* Mammals ([http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/ the single authoritative
>>>  source for mammal names]).
>>>  #* Other groups to be added if a single authoritative source has been
>>>  established.
>>>  # If a single authoritative common name is available for a species
>>>  (see point above), that name is to be used in the article and
>>>  overrules English dialect varieties.
>>>  # Subspecies and specific populations are included in the article of
>>>  the species, unless they warrant a full article by themselves due to
>>>  the amount of subspecies specific information.
>>>  # All common names are created as redirects to the main article. All
>>>  scientific synonyms are created as redirects to the main article. In
>>>  case of the "''Latin name'' (Common name)" scheme, the the main
>>>  scientific name is also created as a redirect.
>>>  # Exceptions. The following domesticated species are created under
>>>  their common name, most of the time using "Domesticated " as a prefix:
>>>  #* [[Human]] (''Homo sapiens sapiens'')
>>>  #* [[Domesticated horse]] (''Equus ferus caballus'')
>>>  #* [[Domesticated cat]] (''Felis silvestris catus'')
>>>  #* [[Domesticated dog]] (''Canis lupus familiaris'')
>>>  #* [[Donkey]] (''Equus asinus asinus'') or (''Equus africanus
>>>  assinus'')
>>>  #* To be completed. (''Camelus ferus''; ''Lama guanicoe''; ''Vicugna
>>>  vicugna''; ''Bos primigenius''; ''Bos gaurus''; ''Bubalus arnee'';
>>>  ''Bos mutus''; ''Capra aegagrus''; ''Ovis orientalis''; ''Cavia
>>>  aperea''; ''Mustela putorius''; ''Carassius gibelio''; ''Bombyx
>>>  mandarina'', etc.)
>>>  ----------------------
>>>  Kim
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