[Cz-biology] Gene articles, and new biologists arriving

[Larry Sanger]

I went ahead and removed all but two of the links, on the assumption that
you might just be right...which is a shame, frankly, because the extra links
probably are useful to people.  If you can spot any "key phrases" that you
think "raise the spam index," let me know.

--Larry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org 
> [mailto:cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of 
> Daniel Mietchen
> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:02 PM
> To: Biology Workgroup List
> Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Gene articles, and new biologists arriving
> 
> 
> Well, I am doing a summer course with students from about 20 
> different universities, and I would prefer to have CZ mails 
> designed such that they pass those spam filters (there should 
> be standards for that somewhere, but I have no idea about the 
> details), rather than switching the settings of university 
> mail servers across the globe.
> 
> The culprits are 
> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmaccount-email-body
> and 
> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Confirmaccount-email-body2
> and I suspect it's the quantity of links and perhaps some key 
> phrases that raise the spam index of these messages beyond 
> the levels commonly accepted by university mail servers. Daniel
> 
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Marielle <marielle at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some university accounts have spam filters that prevent 
> e-mails from 
> > even entering the spam folder.  I know that you could disable this 
> > feature for cornell.edu mailboxes, so your university mail server 
> > might have a similar option.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Mietchen 
> > <daniel.mietchen at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Larry Sanger 
> >> <sanger at citizendium.org> wrote:
> >>> Well, I wish I knew what more *could* be done.  The main problem 
> >>> that happens with applications is that people never receive their 
> >>> automatically-sent e-mails--either the e-mail 
> confirmation mails, or 
> >>> the welcome mails.  For some reason, they keep getting 
> shunted into 
> >>> spam folders.  We aren't aware of our being on any spam 
> blacklists, 
> >>> or we'd do something to get off them.
> >>>
> >>> The single best piece of advice we can give to people who are 
> >>> signing up their classes for Eduzendium is: have students check 
> >>> their spam folders for mail from CZ.
> >> I gave this advice to my students, but I was told repeatedly that 
> >> those CZ mails didn't even make it to the spam folders. 
> This seems to 
> >> be the case with university accounts in particular. Daniel
> >>
> >>>
> >>> --Larry
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org
> >>>> [mailto:cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>>> Daniel Mietchen
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 3:10 PM
> >>>> To: Biology Workgroup List
> >>>> Cc: The Citizendium Constabulatory
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Gene articles, and new biologists 
> >>>> arriving
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Larry,
> >>>> I think it is the right time to start banging the drums among 
> >>>> biologists. However, I noticed that more than half of 
> the students 
> >>>> of my summer course had problems with their 
> registration, and I do 
> >>>> not think they are much less computer-literate than the 
> biologists 
> >>>> we wish to join us. Please give this some more thoughts 
> before you 
> >>>> launch the calls for participation. Thanks, Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Larry Sanger 
> >>>> <sanger at citizendium.org> wrote:
> >>>> > See http://news.google.com/news?q=Citizendium
> >>>> >
> >>>> > All the hits on Google News for us now (about 90 of them)
> >>>> are due to
> >>>> > the fact that we ultimately turned down Andrew Su in 
> his long and 
> >>>> > well-intended effort to get us to adopt pages about 
> genes!  It's 
> >>>> > a pity!  But I think it would have ultimately been a
> >>>> disappointment for
> >>>> > Andrew to see the gene articles uploaded here and then
> >>>> staying dormant
> >>>> > for who knows how long. Wikipedia does have a vigorous if 
> >>>> > imperfect system, and perhaps his articles will be well served 
> >>>> > there.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Meanwhile, I'll be doing a great deal on Biology Week in the 
> >>>> > coming weeks. This will involve, among other things, 
> posting many 
> >>>> > announcements about CZ on biology mailing lists and 
> forums, etc.  
> >>>> > I hope you'll join in with that. As a result, we'll 
> probably see 
> >>>> > a sizeable influx of biologists, and while as usual many of
> >>>> them won't
> >>>> > be active (it's a numbers game), a good few of them very
> >>>> probably will
> >>>> > be.  Especially if they have encouragement from the old hands!
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --Larry
> >>>> >
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