[Cz-biology] Giant panda/naming

[David Goodman]

I continue to see no advantage in the greater complexity involved in
having the two of t hem different.

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Larry Sanger <sanger at citizendium.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification, Daniel.
>
> --Larry
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org
>> [mailto:cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of
>> Daniel Mietchen
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:09 AM
>> To: Biology Workgroup List
>> Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Giant panda/naming
>>
>>
>> The option Marielle was referring to did *NOT* mean that
>> there would be no common name in the title - it just meant
>> that the ADDRESS of the page would have the scientific name,
>> yet the TITLE the common one (or one of them):
>> http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Ailuropoda_melanoleuca
>> would thus be entitled *Giant Panda* and perhaps start out as
>> The '''Giant Panda''' (Ailuropoda melanoleuca) is ...
>>
>> That would require a technical twist to the article
>> mechanics, as proposed by Noel some time ago:
>> http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php/topic,1654.0.html . Cheers,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 2:16 AM, David Goodman
>> <dgoodmanny at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree with John there. I think that is the general view. Even the
>> > Encyclopedia of Life,  prepared by professional biologists,
>> requiring
>> > professional qualifications even for contributing a page on
>> a species,
>> > not just as with us approving it,  uses common names in the
>> headings,
>> > for example  <http://www.eol.org/taxa/17059662>.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:24 PM, John Moffett <john at factinista.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> I agree that the common name has to be in the page title,
>> not just in
>> >> the article text.
>> >>
>> >> So as long as both are in the title, I am in agreement,
>> and the order
>> >> is not important. I also do feel that Larry is correct that the
>> >> average person looking for information will want to see the common
>> >> name in the page title.
>> >>
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: cz-biology-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org
>> >> [mailto:cz-biology-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Larry Sanger
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:36 PM
>> >> To: 'Biology Workgroup List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Giant panda/naming
>> >>
>> >> P.S. In other words, it is the page title that will be displayed
>> >> *first* in Google search results.  If that page title does not
>> >> include a common name, our species articles will receive
>> many fewer
>> >> hits--period.
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org
>> >>> [mailto:cz-biology-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On
>> Behalf Of Larry
>> >>> Sanger
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:35 PM
>> >>> To: 'Biology Workgroup List'
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Cz-biology] Giant panda/naming
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > I have become a supporter of the latter.  Having the
>> article under
>> >>> > the scientific name makes the system bot-friendly.  It also
>> >>> > eliminates the problem of a common name referring to multiple
>> >>> > species.  Furthermore, it eliminates the user
>> friendliness problem
>> >>> > by starting out the article with the common name, which
>> makes it
>> >>> > clear what the organism is usually called.  It also is a
>> >>> > relatively clear and easy policy to follow.
>> >>>
>> >>> Well, it's not quite so clear as that.  Probably the single most
>> >>> important reason to include the common name in the
>> article title is
>> >>> that many people will search for common names of common
>> plants and
>> >>> animals, and will be entirely put off by any article that
>> does not
>> >>> use the common name.  THAT, they will think, is a scientific
>> >>> article, not for me, because I am not a scientist.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Larry
>> >>>
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