[Cz-editcouncil] Welcome to activities

David Goodman dgoodmanny at gmail.com
Mon Apr 28 14:22:07 CDT 2008 

If the proposal is good enough, it will be approved by unanimous
consent. The talk page for t he proposal is the place to work on it.
If there is doubt about whether it is good enough, then yes, we need
to debate it among ourselves. That's what we're here for.




On 4/28/08, David Shapinsky <shapinsky at starpower.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the clarifications.
>
> A few thoughts....
>
> As I believe I indicated, I am in favor.  However, I do agree that some
> thought on the "how" should be done.
>
> When dealing with food, we do have to consider the possibility -- however
> remote -- that someone could be hurt in the act of making or eating some
> meals.  I am told that there are, for instance, poisonous leaves that need
> to be removed from a vegetable that is just now becoming popular in the U.S.
> We would need to make sure that someone was paying attention to such
> questions.
>
> One could argue that even in such cases Citizendium could not be held
> accountable, but certainly any time there is a potential for harm, we should
> make sure that protections are in place.
>
> Is it possible for us to approve an idea by acclamation but withold approval
> on implementation?  For my part, I'd rather focus on figuring out how to do
> this than discuss whether we should (although I respect the opinions of my
> colleagues who may disagree.)
>
> Cheers
> David Shapinsky
> 	
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cz-editcouncil-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org
> [mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of M.
> BALDWIN-EDWARDS
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:42 PM
> To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
> Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Welcome to activities
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> The point about putting through quick proposals on this list is that if they
>
> are well-considered and uncontroversial they should simply be approved
> without discussion and voting. Clearly, this is not the case for the recipes
>
> proposal [I don't know why] so it should be rejected for the instant
> process.
>
> Thus, its proposers need to go through the formal process of submitting it
> as an EC proposal. I would also suggest that there should be some discussion
>
> with our dissenting EC members concerning their reservations on its content,
>
> before it is submitted as such. In that way, suggested amendments could be
> incorporated in the draft proposal, without our having to go through lengthy
>
> procedures for a relatively trivial issue.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Martin Baldwin-Edwards
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Goodman" <dgoodmanny at gmail.com>
> To: <bpllong at yahoo.com>; "The Citizendium Editorial Council"
> <cz-editcouncil at voltaire.citizendium.org>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Welcome to activities
>
>
> > >From what Larry said, there are two ways to proceed-- to go to a vote
> > & either accept or reject it, or to postpone a vote by tabelling it.
> > My intention was to say that we should not go to a vote, because the
> > proposal was immature.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Brian Long <bpllong at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> I second the motion to table this proposal, at least until more Editorial
>
> >> Council members weigh in on the issue.
> >>
> >>  At present, I do not think that enough thought has been given to just
> >> what the logic is for including recipes in an encyclopedia project, nor
> >> to the quality control issue. It's not a bad proposal, but it could stand
>
> >> to be tweaked.
> >>
> >>  I was also curious just how the EC Rules of Procedure mesh with the
> >> Proposals system. I'm not sure that this would be the best course of
> >> action in this case, but theoretically speaking, might one offer an EC
> >> amendment to a Proposal?
> >>
> >>  Thanks,
> >>  Brian Long
> >>
> >>  --- On Sun, 4/27/08, David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  > From: David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Welcome to activities
> >>  > To: "The Citizendium Editorial Council"
> >> <cz-editcouncil at mail.citizendium.org>
> >>  > Date: Sunday, April 27, 2008, 9:01 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> > I have made some comments at
> >>  > http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ_Talk:Recipes
> >>  > I think it a serious mistake to proceed with this in the
> >>  > total absence
> >>  > of editors or other experts on the subject, and in the
> >>  > absence of any
> >>  > real plans for maintaining quality.
> >>  > As I think there needs to be some content for quality in
> >>  > the
> >>  > discussion, I ask to table it until there is a more
> >>  > adequate proposal.
> >>  >
> >>  > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Todd Coles
> >>  > <colest at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  > > I will gladly co-sponsor the recipes proposal.
> >>  > >
> >>  > > -Todd
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
> >>  > >
> >>  > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Larry Sanger
> >>  > <sanger at citizendium.org>
> >>  > > wrote:
> >>  > >
> >>  > > > Point of order: the question at issue is whether
> >>  > the Council should *vote*
> >>  > > > about the recipes proposal.  If you want to have
> >>  > a discussion, that's
> >>  > > > another matter, which can be achieved two ways:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > (1) Ask for a vote, and there will automatically
> >>  > be a discussion prior to
> >>  > > > the vote.  This is if you want the *Council* to
> >>  > have a vote.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > Or:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > (2) Ask for the resolution to be tabled while you
> >>  > (and any other
> >>  > > interested
> >>  > > > Council members) personally go to the proposal
> >>  > page to weigh in on the
> >>  > > > discussion there.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > We have no distinct method for
> >>  > "discussing" resolutions without actually
> >>  > > > actively *considering* resolutions.  But we can
> >>  > always start a discussion
> >>  > > of
> >>  > > > a resolution, and then table it after a certain
> >>  > period and before voting.
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > --Larry
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >>  > > > > From: David Goodman
> >>  > [mailto:dgoodmanny at gmail.com]
> >>  > > > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:59 AM
> >>  > > > > To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
> >>  > > > > Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Welcome to
> >>  > activities
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > I'll cosponsor the Romanization
> >>  > proposal.
> >>  > > > > I object to the recipes proposal and would
> >>  > like to have a discussion.
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Dr.Supten
> >>  > Sarbadhikari
> >>  > > > > <supten at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>  > > > > > Dear All,
> >>  > > > > > It is my pleasure to formally welcome
> >>  > all of you to the Editorial
> >>  > > > > > Council of Citizendium. Because of the
> >>  > rather prolonged Selection
> >>  > > > > > Procedure of the new EC, it has hardly
> >>  > shown any activity for a
> >>  > > > > > substantial period.  Now it is time to
> >>  > make up for that. We
> >>  > > > > are still
> >>  > > > > > waiting to get the consent from 4
> >>  > (four) editor members to
> >>  > > > > fill up the
> >>  > > > > > vacancies.
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > Meanwhile, there are three immediate
> >>  > issues pending.
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > 1. To s/elect a Secretary.
> >>  > > > > >  For that any of the EC members may
> >>  > volunteer or nominate another
> >>  > > > > > member for the post. The candidate is
> >>  > expected to be
> >>  > > > > familiar with the
> >>  > > > > > Rules of Procedure and the trivial
> >>  > housekeeping activities.
> >>  > > > > The Rules
> >>  > > > > > of Procedure can be found at:
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Rules_of_Procedure
> >>  > > > > >  Additional information can be obtained
> >>  > from:
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Resolution_0007
> >>  > > > > > I'd be happy to clarify any other
> >>  > doubts or queries that
> >>  > > > > you may have.
> >>  > > > > > Please send me the consent/nominations
> >>  > privately at
> >>  > > > > supten at gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > within one week, i.e., latest by Friday
> >>  > May 02, 2008, 03:30
> >>  > > > > hrs. UTC.
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > There are two proposals that may be
> >>  > adopted "by acclamation."  In
> >>  > > > > > other words, there is no voting,
> >>  > provided there are no
> >>  > > > > objections.  If
> >>  > > > > > anyone would like to vote on this,
> >>  > please let me know
> >>  > > > > latest by Friday
> >>  > > > > > May 02, 2008, 03:30 hrs. UTC
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > 1.
> >>  > http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Romanization
> >>  > > > > (Sponsor:
> >>  > > > > > Brian P Long; Co-sponsor: Anthony
> >>  > Argyriou; 1 more
> >>  > > > > Co-sponsor needed)
> >>  > > > > > 2.
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > >
> >>  > http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Recipes_Subpage_and_Accomp
> >>  > > > > > anying_Usage_Policy
> >>  > > > > > (Sponsor: Supten Sarbadhikari, 2
> >>  > Co-sponsors needed)
> >>  > > > > >
> >>  > > > > > With warmest regards
> >>  > > > > > Supten Sarbadhikari
> >>  > > > > > The Chair, Citizendium Editorial
> >>  > Council
> >>  > > > > > --
> >>  > > > > > Dr. S N Sarbadhikari, MBBS, PhD
> >>  > > > > > Founding Chair of Biomedical
> >>  > Informatics
> >>  > > > > > PSG Institute of Medical Sciences and
> >>  > Research
> >>  > > > > >  Peelamedu, Coimbatore 641 004
> >>  > > > > > Tamil Nadu, INDIA
> >>  > > > > > Email: drsupten at yahoo.com,
> >>  > supten at gmail.com
> >>  > > > > > Homepage: (1)
> >>  > www.geocities.com/drsupten
> >>  > > > > >  (2) http://myprofile.cos.com/supten
> >>  > > > > > (3)
> >>  > http://medicineonearth.com/display.php?id=1642
> >>  > > > > > Editor-in-Chief, Indian Journal of
> >>  > Medical Informatics
> >>  > > > > > [http://ijmi.org/index.php/ijmi ]
> >>  > Editorial Board Member: Mental
> >>  > > > > > Health and Physical Activity - Elsevier
> >>  > > > > >
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