[Cz-editcouncil] Mistaken posting

Wed Jun 11 10:23:31 CDT 2008

Yes, step 3 of [[CZ:Editorial Council How to Make a Resolution]] tells me to add my resolution to the complete list, and then also add it to the #initial proposals page, which I did not have permission for.  So, I couldn't do that.  Also, the instruction page doesn't suggest that only the EC Chair or Secretary should be doing things, which I think Martin mentioned the other day. I also found myself in a redirect loop bouncing between some of the pages.  

 I would write the directions, on one page, something like this:

(blurp about proposal system and forum discussions)

1: Write the draft resolution, following [[this example]] and place it at "CZ:Draft Resolution nnnn' or your private sandbox'
2: Ask for sponsors at editcouncil at mail.citizendium.org
3. When 3 or more sponsors have signed on, the lead sponsor should ask the "EC Secretary" (currently ''name") to add it to the EC resolutions lists.  He/She will copy the draft resolution to the following:

  CZ:Editorial Council Resolutions Complete List. 
CZ:Editorial Council and, in particular, the "Initial resolutions" section. 

4. Private discussions and edits by the sponsors will occur for 1 week.

5. Move to adopt  the resolution, via email to editcouncil at mail.citizendium.org , " I move the adoption of Resolution NNNN, found at ....

Just a crude rewrite, but you get the idea.

David E. Volk, Ph.D.
Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Sealy Center for Structural Biology and Molecular  Biophysics
University of Texas Medical Branch
Galveston, TX 77555-1157
Office: 409-747-6803
Cell:    409-789-8588
email: devolk at utmb.edu

"Science is the organized skepticism in the reliability of expert opinion." 
        Richard Feynman

"All truth passes through three stages:
                   First, it is ridiculed.
      Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident"
     Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

From: Larry Sanger
Sent: Wed 6/11/2008 9:43 AM
To: cz-editcouncil at citizendium.org
Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Mistaken posting

David (and all),

Are you referring to "How to Make a Resolution"?--

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_How_to_Make_a_Resolution 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that was a model of clarity, and that's all that you really need to familiarize yourself in order to start a new resolution.  The Rules of Procedure, on the other hand, 

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Rules_of_Procedure 

are not intended to be directions per se, but rules--still, I'm sure they could be improved.  If anyone wants to re-draft a version of these rules (for clarity, not content), or offer detailed criticisms so that someone else can revise them, that would be very welcome; we could do so on a "Draft" subpage.  We do still need to encorporate the recent amendments properly into the text of the page.

I just moved the "Outline of the process" section of the "Rules of Procedure" page to the top of the page.  Hopefully that will make matters a little clearer.

--Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org [mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of Volk, David E.
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:53 PM
To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Mistaken posting

Larry, following the rules that you listed below is what got me into this mess to start with.  We need to re-write these directions.

dave

David E. Volk, Ph.D.
Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Sealy Center for Structural Biology and Molecular  Biophysics
University of Texas Medical Branch
Galveston, TX 77555-1157
Office: 409-747-6803
Cell:    409-789-8588
email: devolk at utmb.edu

"Science is the organized skepticism in the reliability of expert opinion." 
        Richard Feynman

"All truth passes through three stages:
                   First, it is ridiculed.
      Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident"
     Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

From: Larry Sanger
Sent: Mon 6/9/2008 4:41 PM
To: 'The Citizendium Editorial Council'
Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Mistaken posting

Since a point of order has been called ;-) -- well, it's not perfect, but when in doubt, consult

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Rules_of_Procedure

I would interpret that as saying that a draft resolution becomes an initial resolution when it is written up in the required form (which David's has not yet), and placed here:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council#Initial_resolutions

That's all that is needed, because nothing else has been specified in the rules.  It's another step for the resolution to be moved onto the Agenda.  For that, two co-sponsors are required.

Whoever wants officially to start Resolution 0011 should consult:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_How_to_Make_a_Resolution

According to those instructions, Resolution 0011 must be linked in two places:

http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Resolutions_Complete_List
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council#Initial_resolutions

Just to be clear, it's the Secretary's job to instruct people in these matters...

--Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org [mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of M. BALDWIN-EDWARDS
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:08 PM
To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
Subject: [Cz-editcouncil] Mistaken posting

Apologies to the Council members, and to David Volk in particular, for what was supposed to be a private email to the Chair. 

Apropos of the draft resolutions issue, there is some ambiguity (at least in my mind) about when a draft resolution becomes an initial resolution. Regardless, we await a call for co-sponsors from David, for his resolution which will become Resolution 0011.

Best wishes

Martin Baldwin-Edwards
Secretary, CZ Editorial Council
----- Original Message ----- 
From: M. BALDWIN-EDWARDS 
To: The Citizendium Editorial Council 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Call for new Resolutions

Dear Supten

I will be away and incommunicado in Germany for 4 days (11-14 June). I hope that any delays in dealing with requests will not be too problematic; I set the voting deadline for Res 10 so that I can cope with it on my return.

By another email to you I have forwarded my email to David Volk about his Res 11, which suddenly appeared on the Resolutions list! I think we need to protect all these pages that only you and I should edit, as there have been several incidents where member of the EC edited things they should not have. You may have noticed that I have protected quite a few official pages recently, which is because of those incidents.

Best wishes

Martin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dr.Supten Sarbadhikari 
To: The Citizendium Editorial Council 
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: [Cz-editcouncil] Call for new Resolutions

Dear All,
There are quite a few proposals at [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals/Editorial_Council ].
The "Drivers" for some of these are EC members. However, in a few cases the drivers are not EC members. Nevertheless, any EC member can put forth those resolutions in the format of Resolution 0009 [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Resolution_0009 ] 
or Resolution 0010 [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_Resolution_0010 ].
Some of these may be adopted by "acclamation", i.e., without voting, if there is no objection from the EC members.
The details for making a new resolution are available at: [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Editorial_Council_How_to_Make_a_Resolution ].
With warmest regards
Supten Sarbadhikari
The Chair, Editorial Council, Citizendium: [http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Category:CZ_Editorial_Council_Members ] 

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