[Cz-editcouncil] Resignation

[Larry Sanger]

I believe it's now up to the Chair to call for a vote on your motion, Brian.

--Larry

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On 
> Behalf Of Brian Long
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 AM
> To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
> Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Resignation
> 
> 
> First off, as Larry suggests, I call for a vote to suspend 
> the normal rules of the Editorial Council mailing list. At 
> some level it would be preferable to have this discussion on 
> the forums where any Citizens could participate, but, in 
> general, it seems that we have a much narrower group of 
> participants on the forums.
> 
> Secondly, I think that given our current situation it is the 
> time to bring up an old idea-- the Judicial Board. Our 
> current situation has highlighted the problems we have when 
> we attempt to determine whether something is or is not in 
> line with our policies, and just whose interpretation of 
> policy is the right one. If we had a Judicial Board when this 
> mess arose, Martin and Larry could have made their cases to 
> the Judicial Board, and we would be able to have an 
> evaluation of the situation which does not rely exclusively 
> on the opinions and feelings of the two main participants in 
> the argument. (This is in addition to all of the other nice 
> functions a Judicial Board might provide, such as hearing 
> appeals to the decisions of the Constabulary. And so on.) 
> 
> Though the timing of this brouhaha is not convenient for me, 
> I can write this up into a resolution in the next week or so. 
> Before I did so, I wanted to make sure that the Editorial 
> Council has the standing to pass such a resolution (this is 
> normally the sort of thing you would ask Martin about). I 
> also wanted to check with you, Larry, to see if you would be 
> in favor of a Judicial Board, and to hear your thoughts on 
> the precise jurisdiction of such a Judicial Board. What 
> exactly would be the relationship between the rulings of the 
> Judicial Board and the ex cathedra pronouncements of the 
> Editor in Chief? 
> 
> Other thoughts?
> 
> Best,
> Brian Long
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Larry Sanger <sanger at citizendium.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Larry Sanger <sanger at citizendium.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Resignation
> > To: "'The Citizendium Editorial Council'" 
> > <cz-editcouncil at mail.citizendium.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:30 PM
> > All,
> >  
> > If the Council wants to review any aspect of this matter, I 
> would be 
> > willing to participate and make my views known fully.  I will
> > abstain from replying
> > to Martin's latest comments for now--not to say, of
> > course, that I cannot
> > reply to them, but only that I would prefer not to drag out
> > a probably
> > pointless exchange.
> >  
> > An ongoing free-for-all discussion on this list is actually out of 
> > order. As you probably recall, this list was set up as a special
> > sort of forum,
> > following parliamentary rules.  If we wish to continue in
> > the vein we have
> > been, I see two options.  One is that the Council actually
> > votes to set
> > aside the rules, temporarily, for the use of this list, and
> > proceed with the
> > discussion.  The second would be that someone (anyone)
> > recommend that
> > interested members go elsewhere for the discussion, either
> > by using a forum
> > page (http://forum.citizendium.org) or else a proposals
> > system page
> > (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals).  I guess a
> > third option would
> > be for a member to make any sort of resolution related to
> > this matter, which
> > we would then discuss through the usual channels.
> >  
> > I do think that anyone who wants to make a resolution or an 
> invitation 
> > to debate should think carefully about what the topic of
> > discussion is, and
> > what the Council (as distinguished from the CZ community at
> > large, or
> > whatever) can hope to accomplish by having the discussion.
> >  
> > --Larry
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