[Cz-editcouncil] Resignation

[John R Moffett]

I would second the motion if put forward. I would also concur that
mechanisms should be in place to intellectually resolve disputes over
content without these sorts of problems causing resignations.

John Moffett
USUHS


-----Original Message-----
From: cz-editcouncil-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org
[mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at voltaire.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of Larry
Sanger
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:52 AM
To: 'The Citizendium Editorial Council'
Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Resignation

I believe it's now up to the Chair to call for a vote on your motion, Brian.

--Larry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org
> [mailto:cz-editcouncil-bounces at mail.citizendium.org] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Long
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 12:51 AM
> To: The Citizendium Editorial Council
> Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Resignation
> 
> 
> First off, as Larry suggests, I call for a vote to suspend the normal 
> rules of the Editorial Council mailing list. At some level it would be 
> preferable to have this discussion on the forums where any Citizens 
> could participate, but, in general, it seems that we have a much 
> narrower group of participants on the forums.
> 
> Secondly, I think that given our current situation it is the time to 
> bring up an old idea-- the Judicial Board. Our current situation has 
> highlighted the problems we have when we attempt to determine whether 
> something is or is not in line with our policies, and just whose 
> interpretation of policy is the right one. If we had a Judicial Board 
> when this mess arose, Martin and Larry could have made their cases to 
> the Judicial Board, and we would be able to have an evaluation of the 
> situation which does not rely exclusively on the opinions and feelings 
> of the two main participants in the argument. (This is in addition to 
> all of the other nice functions a Judicial Board might provide, such 
> as hearing appeals to the decisions of the Constabulary. And so on.)
> 
> Though the timing of this brouhaha is not convenient for me, I can 
> write this up into a resolution in the next week or so.
> Before I did so, I wanted to make sure that the Editorial Council has 
> the standing to pass such a resolution (this is normally the sort of 
> thing you would ask Martin about). I also wanted to check with you, 
> Larry, to see if you would be in favor of a Judicial Board, and to 
> hear your thoughts on the precise jurisdiction of such a Judicial 
> Board. What exactly would be the relationship between the rulings of 
> the Judicial Board and the ex cathedra pronouncements of the Editor in 
> Chief?
> 
> Other thoughts?
> 
> Best,
> Brian Long
> 
> --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Larry Sanger <sanger at citizendium.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Larry Sanger <sanger at citizendium.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Cz-editcouncil] Resignation
> > To: "'The Citizendium Editorial Council'" 
> > <cz-editcouncil at mail.citizendium.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:30 PM All,
> >  
> > If the Council wants to review any aspect of this matter, I
> would be
> > willing to participate and make my views known fully.  I will 
> > abstain from replying to Martin's latest comments for now--not to 
> > say, of course, that I cannot reply to them, but only that I would 
> > prefer not to drag out a probably pointless exchange.
> >  
> > An ongoing free-for-all discussion on this list is actually out of 
> > order. As you probably recall, this list was set up as a special 
> > sort of forum, following parliamentary rules.  If we wish to 
> > continue in the vein we have been, I see two options.  One is that 
> > the Council actually votes to set aside the rules, temporarily, for 
> > the use of this list, and proceed with the discussion.  The second 
> > would be that someone (anyone) recommend that interested members go 
> > elsewhere for the discussion, either by using a forum page 
> > (http://forum.citizendium.org) or else a proposals system page 
> > (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Proposals).  I guess a third 
> > option would be for a member to make any sort of resolution related 
> > to this matter, which we would then discuss through the usual 
> > channels.
> >  
> > I do think that anyone who wants to make a resolution or an
> invitation
> > to debate should think carefully about what the topic of discussion 
> > is, and what the Council (as distinguished from the CZ community at 
> > large, or
> > whatever) can hope to accomplish by having the discussion.
> >  
> > --Larry
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