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Care must be taken to avoid having this come across as an essay. | Care must be taken to avoid having this come across as an essay. | ||
:Agreed. My bias I think is pro-Spinoza, like he's my favorite philosopher. But I'm aware of this bias, and want to include contrasting viewpoints, so this thing kept expanding.--[[User:Thomas Wright Sulcer|Thomas Wright Sulcer]] 08:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
What is the role of Freud and his disciples? Just a correction -- he was a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. Of his closest disciples, Jung split off into a more culturally and spiritually based model. Adler, perhaps, was more of a social psychologist. Some call Freud's model [[pseudoscience]], but I tend to think of it more as prescientific, the next generation or so (e.g., Gestalt, or even Jung's ''Man and his Symbols'') moving into broader context. Of course, today's neuroscience goes in powerful new directions. Where, for example, does an underdeveloped [[amygdala]] and poor impulse control fit? | What is the role of Freud and his disciples? Just a correction -- he was a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. Of his closest disciples, Jung split off into a more culturally and spiritually based model. Adler, perhaps, was more of a social psychologist. Some call Freud's model [[pseudoscience]], but I tend to think of it more as prescientific, the next generation or so (e.g., Gestalt, or even Jung's ''Man and his Symbols'') moving into broader context. Of course, today's neuroscience goes in powerful new directions. Where, for example, does an underdeveloped [[amygdala]] and poor impulse control fit? | ||
:Good stuff. Let me add these perspectives. the underdeveloped [[amygdala]] would be in the physical aspects of the brain section.--[[User:Thomas Wright Sulcer|Thomas Wright Sulcer]] 08:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
While I do believe [[Abraham Maslow]]'s hierarchy of needs, I think it needs better integration and development. | While I do believe [[Abraham Maslow]]'s hierarchy of needs, I think it needs better integration and development. | ||
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::Yes, I agree. Help me improve it? It originally started off kind of what I thought was a ''simple task'', that is, instead of everybody defining [[mental health]] in terms of ''lack of disease'', I wanted to positively state what a ''healthy mind mentally'' was. The thing kept expanding, however, when I realized how ''many perspectives'' there are on this. How to be fair to all of them, and yet knit them together? I thought the idea of using philosophical thinking as a way to help what many consider to be a [[psychology|psychological]] issue would keep the argument tight, but it kept expanding, since there are different takes on it. I posed it as a kind of challenge to myself to keep me thinking to see how to pull it all together, but maybe the problem is too big, and maybe specific topics should be split off? My thinking is what it needs now is to get even bigger with more references, to try to hone many of the details, and then copyedit it back to size with honing, and see what to do from there. Thanks for reading it.--[[User:Thomas Wright Sulcer|Thomas Wright Sulcer]] 08:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC) | ::Yes, I agree. Help me improve it? It originally started off kind of what I thought was a ''simple task'', that is, instead of everybody defining [[mental health]] in terms of ''lack of disease'', I wanted to positively state what a ''healthy mind mentally'' was. The thing kept expanding, however, when I realized how ''many perspectives'' there are on this. How to be fair to all of them, and yet knit them together? I thought the idea of using philosophical thinking as a way to help what many consider to be a [[psychology|psychological]] issue would keep the argument tight, but it kept expanding, since there are different takes on it. I posed it as a kind of challenge to myself to keep me thinking to see how to pull it all together, but maybe the problem is too big, and maybe specific topics should be split off? My thinking is what it needs now is to get even bigger with more references, to try to hone many of the details, and then copyedit it back to size with honing, and see what to do from there. Thanks for reading it.--[[User:Thomas Wright Sulcer|Thomas Wright Sulcer]] 08:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC) | ||
::I'm looking over it, and I think the key to make it less essayish is more references, more information. But I have the sense that this thing somehow grew beyond my grasp, like I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around it? | |||
Revision as of 02:40, 24 April 2010
Created. Diagrams coming soon. Perhaps needs a copyedit for flow.--Thomas Wright Sulcer 23:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note the diagrams I did, for some reason, don't always come out; maybe they're being processed or take time, I don't know. I'll check on the diagrams tomorrow. But what is happening is that removing the "underscore" characters in the picture filenames has weird effects; some pictures show, and then other pictures don't show. don't understand this. --Thomas Wright Sulcer 23:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Challenges of the article
Tom, I respect your taking this on; it's a bold task. Let me make some general comments.
Care must be taken to avoid having this come across as an essay.
- Agreed. My bias I think is pro-Spinoza, like he's my favorite philosopher. But I'm aware of this bias, and want to include contrasting viewpoints, so this thing kept expanding.--Thomas Wright Sulcer 08:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
What is the role of Freud and his disciples? Just a correction -- he was a psychiatrist, not a psychologist. Of his closest disciples, Jung split off into a more culturally and spiritually based model. Adler, perhaps, was more of a social psychologist. Some call Freud's model pseudoscience, but I tend to think of it more as prescientific, the next generation or so (e.g., Gestalt, or even Jung's Man and his Symbols) moving into broader context. Of course, today's neuroscience goes in powerful new directions. Where, for example, does an underdeveloped amygdala and poor impulse control fit?
- Good stuff. Let me add these perspectives. the underdeveloped amygdala would be in the physical aspects of the brain section.--Thomas Wright Sulcer 08:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
While I do believe Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs, I think it needs better integration and development.
Howard C. Berkowitz 00:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree. Help me improve it? It originally started off kind of what I thought was a simple task, that is, instead of everybody defining mental health in terms of lack of disease, I wanted to positively state what a healthy mind mentally was. The thing kept expanding, however, when I realized how many perspectives there are on this. How to be fair to all of them, and yet knit them together? I thought the idea of using philosophical thinking as a way to help what many consider to be a psychological issue would keep the argument tight, but it kept expanding, since there are different takes on it. I posed it as a kind of challenge to myself to keep me thinking to see how to pull it all together, but maybe the problem is too big, and maybe specific topics should be split off? My thinking is what it needs now is to get even bigger with more references, to try to hone many of the details, and then copyedit it back to size with honing, and see what to do from there. Thanks for reading it.--Thomas Wright Sulcer 08:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'm looking over it, and I think the key to make it less essayish is more references, more information. But I have the sense that this thing somehow grew beyond my grasp, like I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around it?