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==first draft==
==Philosophy==
I've copied this initial stuff out of [[Computers]] into here.  It may seem a bit incomplete or awkward for now, but it's essential to reduce the size of the top-level Computer article.  Someone please take this and own it![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 15:23, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
Thanks to [[User:Robert_W_King|Robert_King]] for helping me develop an initial draft of this pageWhat do people think of this as an approach for this page?[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:53, 24 September 2007 (CDT)  
 
:I'll assume the helm, lieutenantStand down! --[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 15:28, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
 
::Thank you!  It's a big job.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:47, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
 
:::I'm considering blanking the whole article and starting over.  Any objection?  The wikipedia entry was/is such a mess to sort through.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:08, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
 
I am totally re-writing the article with more completeness, so it doesn't look like a long essay.  In fact it almost looks like the original wikipedia version came from someone's term paper.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 13:55, 24 April 2007 (CDT)


==more source material?==
* Because "History of computing" is a potentially enormous topic, I'd like to organize this article in chronological order, with a bullet list under the main headings.  ''(NOTE: I'm trying to illustrate this starting with the earliest items in the article, and will work on converting the existing material to this form when I can.  This takes time, as new "starter" articles need to be created.)''
There might be some useful source material in [[Talk:Computer/Applications|this archive]].[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:46, 23 April 2007 (CDT)
* Each bullet item should be only a few sentences long, pointing off to a longer article on the topic discussed.  Limit: one paragraph per item.
* Ideally, each bullet item should include one key reference (so that, eventually, there will be a decent bibliography for each item listed).
* For now, I'd like to suspend decisions about whether a bullet item "deserves" to be on the list.  Instead, please register any comments on this page.  We will then seek expert oversight to help make longterm decisions about what "makes the list" or doesn't make the list.


==suggestions for structure==
:  Is there any value in having a section on the future of computing and/or the tie-in from science fiction's view of computers to what has come about? [[User:Karl D. Schubert|Karl D. Schubert]] 15:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
It might be helpful to cover each previous century separately, and then in 20th century have a section for each decade. Or something.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 18:48, 23 April 2007 (CDT)


==brainstormed list of items to include==
::As a guy who used read an enormous amount of SF (and write some), I would be interested in tie-ins between the fictionalized visions and the reality -- it might have to be another article, although not necessarily so. Just off the top of my head, I can think of novels that were essentially about computers: Heinlein's ''Moon Is a Harsh Mistress''; Frank Herbert's novel about a spaceship in trouble in which the crew spends the whole book (very tediously indeed) fixing the computer, only to discover that they have created God (or a god); the ''Forbin'' or ''Colossus'' series, I forget who wrote the books; HAL, of course, in ''2001''; ''Harley Is Four'', I think, and many others. [[User:Hayford Peirce|Hayford Peirce]] 18:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Please add to this list anyone you think might ought to be included somewhere; we can mark them off once dealt with.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 09:29, 11 May 2007 (CDT)


::now trying to start categorizing the list
:::''When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One''' (Human Analog Robot, Life Information Equivalent, from my wetware RAM) had the first discussion I ever read of a computer virus, which was called that, although it would be closer to a worm in today's technology. Harlie, David's son, does justify his existence by writing a proposal for a Graphic Omniscient Device (note acronym). It does raise a problem that I believe we will someday face: can you shut off a self-aware computer?


Pioneering people:
:::RAH's ''Starman Jones'' had computers as a center point, but it totally missed how they would be built; it was not much more than an early desktop calculator. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 01:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
* Charles Baggage
* Eniac (and its inventors)
* Grace Hopper - compilers
* Alan Turing - key computational theorist
* John Von Neumann - influential mathematician working on early computers
* Claude Shannon - first associated boolean algebra with hardware switching algebra
* Thomas Edison - for Edison effect, which led to triode, which became vacuum tube switch


Early machines:
:: Those, plus a number of interesting ones by James P. Hogan ("Thrice Upon a Time") and Joe Haldeman ("Old Twentieth" as a recent one) and "The Adolescence of P-1"  by Thomas Ryan.  So, sounds like there is enough interest in this for us to put a section in on this, too.  I do think it's good to separate fiction from reality but I also wonder if it's really necessary to make it a separate article vs. a section in this one.  More thoughts?  [[User:Karl D. Schubert|Karl D. Schubert]] 15:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
* Eniac - important early machine
* Edvac - important early machine
* Colossus - important early machine


Industry things:
==next steps==
* DARPA, IETF and RFC's - led to invention of networks
I've put a bunch of placeholders for history since 1950.  Those need a SHORT paragraph with pointers off to other articles. I've tried to hit the major trends.  In most cases, I placed an occurrence in the decade where it became mainstream, rather than the one in which research leading to it began.  I'd love to have some help filling in this stuff.  Anyone?[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 01:07, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
* Turing awards - as important in computing as, say, Nobel is is physics
* Apple, IBM, <s>Microsoft</s> (Software company), DEC, Burroughs etc. (but where do we stop? do we go on to include Sun, Oracle, SAP, <s>Google</s> and the newer ''big'' players?)
* key de facto standards (where the marketplace voted in a good idea)
* official standards bodies, and their role and key standards
* the internet (a diametrically opposed way of doing telecom and everything else; culturally very different than telecom) - some articles already started


Software evolution:
==archive of former starting paragraph==
* Unix, Multics, Mac OS X, Windows, Linux
I am saving this here in case we want to reinstate it, but I think I want to open the article differently:  '''The earliest reference to the term, in 1631, comes from the French word with the same meaning, derived from the Latin word ''computare'' meaning "to count, to sum up."  The word is formed from two roots: ''com-'' meaning "with", and ''+putare'' meaning "to reckon" (originally "to prune.")<ref>"compute", {{cite web|url=http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=compute|title=Online Etymology Dictionary|accessdate=2007-04-24}}</ref>. According to the first definition given by the [[Oxford English Dictionary]], a '''computer''' is: "One who computes; a calculator, reckoner; spec. a person employed to make calculations in an observatory, in surveying, etc."'''[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 16:31, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
* first spreadsheet - now, what was that guy's name?
* operating system evolution (pointing off to many other articles)
* programming language evolution (pointing off to many other articles)
* cryptography
* <s>security</s> Tangetal.
* advanced software such as AI and machine learning applications (many people don't even know these things exist, or can be done, but they are becoming important in stock market, military, security etc.)
* <s>codecs (a branch of mathematics) leading to Voice Over Internet Protocol (VOIP), or digital streaming media</s> communications standards.


Computer design evolution:
==archiving hidden timeline code here==
* batch processing to multi processing to multi threading
Though it doesn't show up.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 16:33, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
* memory management, especially virtual memory
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Personal computing: (several articles already exist, though their variety and structure is still in flux)
: "Timelines" are a subpage, now, anyway... [[User:J. Noel Chiappa|J. Noel Chiappa]] 17:26, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
* invention of single-chip microprocessor
* CP-M, Commodore, Tandy Radio Shack


Special computers:
==another archived bit==
* Nasa's computers for the Apollo moon voyages
I am removing this, for now: ''' Not all of this may be regarded as positive, however; the explosive intrusion in life of the computer in all its facets is sometimes referred to as the [[digital revolution]]<ref name="DigRef">{{cite web|url=http://web.mit.edu/transition/subs/demointro.html|title=The Digital Revolution, the Informed Citizen, and the Culture of Democracy by Henry Jenkins and David Thorburn (from the introduction to Democracy and New Media, Cambridge: MIT Press, 2003)|publisher=MIT Press|
* supercomputers (Cray etc)
year=2003|accessdate=2007-04-24}}</ref>.'''  It may have a place somewhere; I'm not sure it belongs here.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 16:54, 3 May 2008 (CDT)
* embedded computer and gadgets
* telecom and fiberoptic communications (an entire specialized industry based almost solely on special computers, realtime software, and some specialized hardware)


Everything not fitting somewhere else:
:Perhaps we need an article on [[digital Luddism]]. –[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 04:20, 22 September 2008 (CDT)


== Needs work ==
All the "Oh my", "Honey, I shrunk the music" stuff gets grating after about five seconds. I'm going to remove it. –[[User:Tom Morris|Tom Morris]] 04:20, 22 September 2008 (CDT)


== Title does not fit ==


:I confess, I have been seriously slacking on this article. There's a lot more to be worked in of course, and I'll try to get into it more today and the following week.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 09:15, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
This article is about computers, computing machines, or automated computing, or something similar,
but not about "computing", as is also indicated by the definition.
It should therefore be moved to title better reflecting its content.
[[User:Peter Schmitt|Peter Schmitt]] 19:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


::No need to feel pressure.  This is a huge topic.  Books have been written (and I own some of them) he he.  I think it will take a long time to get this one ready for prime time, but we have to start somewhere, so I'm starting the list above.  I will have a lot more to add to it.  I need to look up my old notes from when I last taught this, and we need to construct a timeline.  The timeline would then branch off into deeper articles about the invention of that thing.  That's one way it could be structured to prevent it from becoming booksized, anyway.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 09:33, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
:Good point. [[User:Howard C. Berkowitz|Howard C. Berkowitz]] 15:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
::: I think a goal for this article should more or less be going from the very initial need to identify quantities of things to the concept of binary, to the development of the first digital computer and then very briefly zoom through the last 80 years or so of computing history. I don't think every single technological landmark needs to be covered in ''this'' particular article, because I think they could be discussed at great length in another segment itself.--[[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 10:10, 11 May 2007 (CDT)


:[[User:Robert_W_King]] has stuck out a number of items.  I'm going to unstrike them on grounds that this is brainstorming, and we should postpone evaluating until all the information is in.  Furthermore, I don't necessarily agree with his reasons as stated on the edit notes.  The items he struck are show here:
== This page looks like hell ==


* <s>Thomas Edison - for Edison effect, which led to triode, which became vacuum tube switch</s> Edison would be better for something like "History of the Transistor" (Pat answers: without the invention of vacuum tubes, there would have been no first computers)
Whatever happened to the really good rewrite and lots of hours that were put into a functional pageThere are headers without paragraphs; "personalized" topics... it looks really unprofessional.  It needs cleaning up or being moved to a personal workspace and developed that way.  It's pretty unfit for a quality article appearance, even for one short in content. [[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 04:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
* <s>DARPA, IETF and RFC's - led to invention of networks</s> networks were developed after the first real "digital computer" (Pat answers: everything except the first computer was developed "after"; so whatit is part of the history of computing; it may end up being covered by other articles and just pointed to here, but we need it as a placemarker)
* <s>the internet (a diametrically opposed way of doing telecom and everything else; culturally very different than telecom) - some articles already started</s> "History of Networks" (Pat answers: same comment as above)
* <s>operating system evolution (pointing off to many other articles)</s> Not necessarily about the development of the "computer" in the core context. (Pat answers: i'm not sure i agree.  the name here is "computing" not "computers"; OS and hardware are built to interwork very closely)


==ideas on how to get started==
:I think you're rightAre you ready to go to work on it!  :D [[User:D. Matt Innis|D. Matt Innis]] 17:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
This article seems like a mission impossibleI think the trick is to keep this article as short as possible, while also making it complete by pointing off to other articles for deep detailAt the same time, we need a 'compelling narrative'; what a story it isGood luck getting started![[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] 09:41, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
::I'll work on it when I finish summer classesI'm taking Differential Equations and Calc III and I have to pass them both with vigilance.  [[User:Robert W King|Robert W King]] 17:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks to Robert_King for helping me develop an initial draft of this page. What do people think of this as an approach for this page?Pat Palmer 18:53, 24 September 2007 (CDT)

  • Because "History of computing" is a potentially enormous topic, I'd like to organize this article in chronological order, with a bullet list under the main headings. (NOTE: I'm trying to illustrate this starting with the earliest items in the article, and will work on converting the existing material to this form when I can. This takes time, as new "starter" articles need to be created.)
  • Each bullet item should be only a few sentences long, pointing off to a longer article on the topic discussed. Limit: one paragraph per item.
  • Ideally, each bullet item should include one key reference (so that, eventually, there will be a decent bibliography for each item listed).
  • For now, I'd like to suspend decisions about whether a bullet item "deserves" to be on the list. Instead, please register any comments on this page. We will then seek expert oversight to help make longterm decisions about what "makes the list" or doesn't make the list.
Is there any value in having a section on the future of computing and/or the tie-in from science fiction's view of computers to what has come about? Karl D. Schubert 15:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
As a guy who used read an enormous amount of SF (and write some), I would be interested in tie-ins between the fictionalized visions and the reality -- it might have to be another article, although not necessarily so. Just off the top of my head, I can think of novels that were essentially about computers: Heinlein's Moon Is a Harsh Mistress; Frank Herbert's novel about a spaceship in trouble in which the crew spends the whole book (very tediously indeed) fixing the computer, only to discover that they have created God (or a god); the Forbin or Colossus series, I forget who wrote the books; HAL, of course, in 2001; Harley Is Four, I think, and many others. Hayford Peirce 18:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
When H.A.R.L.I.E. was One' (Human Analog Robot, Life Information Equivalent, from my wetware RAM) had the first discussion I ever read of a computer virus, which was called that, although it would be closer to a worm in today's technology. Harlie, David's son, does justify his existence by writing a proposal for a Graphic Omniscient Device (note acronym). It does raise a problem that I believe we will someday face: can you shut off a self-aware computer?
RAH's Starman Jones had computers as a center point, but it totally missed how they would be built; it was not much more than an early desktop calculator. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:11, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Those, plus a number of interesting ones by James P. Hogan ("Thrice Upon a Time") and Joe Haldeman ("Old Twentieth" as a recent one) and "The Adolescence of P-1" by Thomas Ryan. So, sounds like there is enough interest in this for us to put a section in on this, too. I do think it's good to separate fiction from reality but I also wonder if it's really necessary to make it a separate article vs. a section in this one. More thoughts? Karl D. Schubert 15:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

next steps

I've put a bunch of placeholders for history since 1950. Those need a SHORT paragraph with pointers off to other articles. I've tried to hit the major trends. In most cases, I placed an occurrence in the decade where it became mainstream, rather than the one in which research leading to it began. I'd love to have some help filling in this stuff. Anyone?Pat Palmer 01:07, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

archive of former starting paragraph

I am saving this here in case we want to reinstate it, but I think I want to open the article differently: The earliest reference to the term, in 1631, comes from the French word with the same meaning, derived from the Latin word computare meaning "to count, to sum up." The word is formed from two roots: com- meaning "with", and +putare meaning "to reckon" (originally "to prune.")[1]. According to the first definition given by the Oxford English Dictionary, a computer is: "One who computes; a calculator, reckoner; spec. a person employed to make calculations in an observatory, in surveying, etc."Pat Palmer 16:31, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

archiving hidden timeline code here

Though it doesn't show up.Pat Palmer 16:33, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

"Timelines" are a subpage, now, anyway... J. Noel Chiappa 17:26, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

another archived bit

I am removing this, for now: Not all of this may be regarded as positive, however; the explosive intrusion in life of the computer in all its facets is sometimes referred to as the digital revolution[2]. It may have a place somewhere; I'm not sure it belongs here.Pat Palmer 16:54, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

Perhaps we need an article on digital Luddism. –Tom Morris 04:20, 22 September 2008 (CDT)

Needs work

All the "Oh my", "Honey, I shrunk the music" stuff gets grating after about five seconds. I'm going to remove it. –Tom Morris 04:20, 22 September 2008 (CDT)

Title does not fit

This article is about computers, computing machines, or automated computing, or something similar, but not about "computing", as is also indicated by the definition. It should therefore be moved to title better reflecting its content. Peter Schmitt 19:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Good point. Howard C. Berkowitz 15:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

This page looks like hell

Whatever happened to the really good rewrite and lots of hours that were put into a functional page? There are headers without paragraphs; "personalized" topics... it looks really unprofessional. It needs cleaning up or being moved to a personal workspace and developed that way. It's pretty unfit for a quality article appearance, even for one short in content. Robert W King 04:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you're right. Are you ready to go to work on it! :D D. Matt Innis 17:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll work on it when I finish summer classes. I'm taking Differential Equations and Calc III and I have to pass them both with vigilance. Robert W King 17:17, 28 July 2011 (UTC)