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==Moving animation==
We need a moving animation showing ''dance''. [[User:Micha van den Berg|Micha van den Berg]] 17:15, 22 November 2007 (CST)
We need a moving animation showing ''dance''. [[User:Micha van den Berg|Micha van den Berg]] 17:15, 22 November 2007 (CST)
:Did you just volunteer to make one?  :) [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 21:04, 22 November 2007 (CST)
:Did you just volunteer to make one?  :) [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 21:04, 22 November 2007 (CST)
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Micha, you must be careful about your use of italics and dashes.  They're fine when used appropriately, but some of your use here serves to confuse.  I'm going to take them out (again); please do not replace them.  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 15:22, 1 December 2007 (CST)
Micha, you must be careful about your use of italics and dashes.  They're fine when used appropriately, but some of your use here serves to confuse.  I'm going to take them out (again); please do not replace them.  [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 15:22, 1 December 2007 (CST)


== Implied bigotry '''(1)''' ==
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{{freshstart}}
 
:I've solicited an editor in a related field to give advice on terminology. [[User:Stephen Ewen|Stephen Ewen]] 15:03, 5 December 2007 (CST)
 
== New submission ==
I think this grouping could work very well. It makes sense anthropologically.
 
Austral-Asia
:''Overview: dance in Austral-Asia''
:Types of dances in Austral-Asia: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
:''Overview: Types of dances in Austral-Asia''
::How do Aboriginal people express dance?
::How do Polonysian people express dance
::How do European-Australian people express dance
''We could add smaller subsections about the Maori or Pappua people''
 
Europe
:''Overview: dance in Europe''
:Types of dances in Europe: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
:''Overview: Types of dances in Europe''
::How do European people express dance?
:''Divide in different cultural, ethnic and linguistic groups like Irish, French or Russian''
::How do Gypsy people express dance?
::How do Jewish people express dance?
:''We could add smaller subsections about the Turkish or Saami people''
 
North-America
:''Overview: dance in North-America''
:Types of dances in North-America: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
:''Overview: Types of dances in North-America''
::How do Native-American people express dance?
:''Divide in different cultural, ethnic and linguistic groups.''
::How do African-American people express dance?
::How do European-American people express dance?
:''We could add smaller subsections about the Inuit people''
 
South-America
:''Overview: dance in South-America''
:Types of dances in South-America: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
:''Overview: Types of dances in South-America''
::Not sure how to work out South-America yet.
 
[[User:Micha van den Berg|Micha van den Berg]] 16:37, 5 December 2007 (CST)
 
:I disagree. I think that the article should be organized by types of dances first, with breakdowns within each type to cover the specific dances done by specific peoples. So, for example:
::'''Social Dance'''
:::'''Couple dances'''
:::'''Group dances'''
::'''Performance Dance'''
:::'''Ritual Dance'''
::::'''Fertility Ritual Dances'''
::::'''Wedding Ritual Dances'''
::::'''Social Bonding Ritual Dances'''
::::'''Dance as Prayer/Propriation of Dieties'''
:::'''Performance Dance for Entertainment'''
::::'''Dance Entertainment'''
:::::'''Ballet'''
:::::(etc)
::::'''Dance in mixed-media entertainment'''
:::::'''Song-and-dance (musicals)'''
::(etc).
 
:I realize some of my headings may be silly, but the basic idea I'd like to see is to emphasize the commonalities of dance forms across cultures, so far as that is possible. There should also be separate sections discussing the music to which dance is performed, though details there should be left for the specific articles on various cultural dance forms. [[User:Anthony Argyriou|Anthony Argyriou]] 20:39, 28 December 2007 (CST)
 
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Okay, I'm sure you didn't mean this, so I'm trying to choose my words carefully. There is implied prejudice in the current organisation of types of dance. African American dance, e.g. *is* a North American art form.'''(2)'''  Irish folk dances *are* tribal dance forms.'''(3)'''  Social dances are social dances, performance dances are performance dances, and these should be categorised as such.'''(4)''' If anyone wants to further break these down by ethinic group, continent, or something else, I would entertain ideas. But racism in dance is not what we're here to demonstrate. Can't stop to tackle this now, but I certainly will if no one else does. '''(5)''' [[User:Aleta Curry|Aleta Curry]] 15:55, 1 December 2007 (CST)
===Genres, locations, and periods===
*[[Classical Dance]], Classical, Western classical dance, [[Dance Performance]].
<table class="vatop" style="width:100%;margin:0;"><tr><td width="33%">
#''Dance style periods''
##[[Medieval dance]]
##[[Renaissance dance]]
##[[Baroque dance]]
###[[Early baroque dance]]
###[[Late baroque dance]].
##[[Classical-era dance]].
##[[Contemporary dance]].
</td><td width="33%">
#''Trancendial and shifting dance concepts''
##[[Contemporary classical dance]].
##[[Avant-garde dance]].
#''Dance forms and genre's''
##[[Art dance]].
##[[Ballet]].
##[[Breakdance]].
##[[Club]].
#''Dance development by century.''
##[[Seventeenth-century dance]]
##[[Eighteenth-century dance]].
##[[Nineteenth-century dance]].
##[[Twentieth-century dance]].
</td></tr></table>


== I am not an American ==
*[[Popular dance]], [[Pop dance]], Pop, [[Folk dance]], Folk, Folklore, [[Ethnic dance]], Ethnic, Ethno.
:1)I find it racist of you that you deny cultural diversity.
<table class="vatop" style="width:100%;margin:0;"><tr><td width="33%">
:2)European people in Europe, North-America and Australia share a common culture heritage with each other. African-American do not share that culture heritage. They are a distinct culture group within North-America; just like the Native-American people across the America's are a distinct cultural group. Do you deny the Native-American and African-American people the right to express there own cultural forms separate from mainstream American society?
#Western folk and ethnic dance.
:3)What makes a tribal dance form distinct from a folk dance?
##[[Country]]
:4)We will of course not list the names of these dances under each category; we should instead discuss how performance, social and ritual dances get expressed in those cultures and only mention these dance when they are useful for explaining the forms dance takes in that society.
##[[Chanson]]
:5)Again; i find denying cultural diversity to be racist. I broke dance down into different ethnic groups because i discussed earlier in the article about dance; that dance can only be defined by the ethnic an cultural groups they exist in. African-American are distinct from European-American; because slavery and bigotry did not allow there cultural influences to mix with the colonial European cultures that suppressed them. Therefore African-American developed there own cultural expressions; and still do this up to the present day because they have formed there own independent culture.
##[[Rebetika]]
:I would separate Europe into Western and Eastern, Gipsy and Jewish culture groups because that would make sense to me; and those cultural and ethnic groups.
#Non-western folk and classical dance.
##[[Gamelan]].
##[[Indian classical music]], Indian classical.
###[[Hindustani classical music]], Hindustani classical.
##[[Dances of Africa]], African dance.
##[[Persian classical dance]], Persian classical
#Popular/historical
##[[Blues]]
##[[Jazz]]
##[[Reggae]]
</td><td width="33%">
#Popular/Contemporary
##[[Rhythm and blues|Rhythm and blues]]
###[[Hip hop music|Hip hop and Rap]]
##[[Latin dance]]
##[[Rock and roll]]
##[[Slam Dance]]
###[[Head Banging|Heavy metal]]
###[[New Wave]]
#Other
##[[Electronic dance|Techno]]
</td></tr></table>


I Europe denying ethnic and cultural diversity would be considered racist! Do you understand why i could be very furious right now? [[User:Micha van den Berg|Micha van den Berg]] 11:07, 5 December 2007 (CST)
===Other dance topics===
#[[Dance]]
##[[Art dance]]
##[[Pop dance]]
##[[Ballet]]
#[[History of dance]]
##[[History of Western dance]]
##[[History of Indian dance]]
##[[History of Chinese dance]]
#[[Dance theory]]


We could of course separate the article in; --'''for the moment'''-- North and South America, Europe and Austral-Asia and there different major cultural groups. Then North-America would have; European-Americans, African-Americans and Native-Americans; with the Native-Americans being the central cultural group within North-America, downplaying African and European culture; because they both have different cultural roots outside the American continent. I am pretty sure the Native-American people have several thousand different dances spread across North-America. [[User:Micha van den Berg|Micha van den Berg]] 11:31, 5 December 2007 (CST)
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Moving animation

We need a moving animation showing dance. Micha van den Berg 17:15, 22 November 2007 (CST)

Did you just volunteer to make one?  :) Aleta Curry 21:04, 22 November 2007 (CST)

I changed your definition because it was vague: punching someone in the face is "(body) movement that contains an expressive character", as is a slip-and-fall schtick in vaudeville, a card hustle, or for that matter, hanging oneself.

I thought your other additions were really good, keep it up!

Aleta Curry 21:08, 22 November 2007 (CST)

Yes, all those things could be part of a dance; though this might sound very silly. Dance is continous, (it changes and morphs and does not consist out of an single action) and dance is organised through the act of using your nervous system to dance (so non living things do not dance), and dance is specific (it expresses itself as isolated movement) or (dance contains itself).

It is the ability of making your body move without another exterior cause. Micha van den Berg 22:24, 22 November 2007 (CST)

I think i got it. Dance is movement expressed in the context of culture and ritual. Micha van den Berg 22:38, 22 November 2007 (CST)

Wow! Great work here. I had a small tidy session in the introduction as it felt heavy but important, meaning the meaning was getting lost to me in the forms of expression. I hope I added rather than subtracted with my tidying edits. --Ian Johnson 06:26, 1 December 2007 (CST)

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Micha, you must be careful about your use of italics and dashes. They're fine when used appropriately, but some of your use here serves to confuse. I'm going to take them out (again); please do not replace them. Aleta Curry 15:22, 1 December 2007 (CST)

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I've solicited an editor in a related field to give advice on terminology. Stephen Ewen 15:03, 5 December 2007 (CST)

New submission

I think this grouping could work very well. It makes sense anthropologically.

Austral-Asia

Overview: dance in Austral-Asia
Types of dances in Austral-Asia: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
Overview: Types of dances in Austral-Asia
How do Aboriginal people express dance?
How do Polonysian people express dance
How do European-Australian people express dance

We could add smaller subsections about the Maori or Pappua people

Europe

Overview: dance in Europe
Types of dances in Europe: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
Overview: Types of dances in Europe
How do European people express dance?
Divide in different cultural, ethnic and linguistic groups like Irish, French or Russian
How do Gypsy people express dance?
How do Jewish people express dance?
We could add smaller subsections about the Turkish or Saami people

North-America

Overview: dance in North-America
Types of dances in North-America: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
Overview: Types of dances in North-America
How do Native-American people express dance?
Divide in different cultural, ethnic and linguistic groups.
How do African-American people express dance?
How do European-American people express dance?
We could add smaller subsections about the Inuit people

South-America

Overview: dance in South-America
Types of dances in South-America: How are social, performance and ritualistic dances expressed?
Overview: Types of dances in South-America
Not sure how to work out South-America yet.

Micha van den Berg 16:37, 5 December 2007 (CST)

I disagree. I think that the article should be organized by types of dances first, with breakdowns within each type to cover the specific dances done by specific peoples. So, for example:
Social Dance
Couple dances
Group dances
Performance Dance
Ritual Dance
Fertility Ritual Dances
Wedding Ritual Dances
Social Bonding Ritual Dances
Dance as Prayer/Propriation of Dieties
Performance Dance for Entertainment
Dance Entertainment
Ballet
(etc)
Dance in mixed-media entertainment
Song-and-dance (musicals)
(etc).
I realize some of my headings may be silly, but the basic idea I'd like to see is to emphasize the commonalities of dance forms across cultures, so far as that is possible. There should also be separate sections discussing the music to which dance is performed, though details there should be left for the specific articles on various cultural dance forms. Anthony Argyriou 20:39, 28 December 2007 (CST)

Content copied from talk page of redirected CZ workgroup proposal which never began

The Dance Workgroup will organize and coordinate efforts to create and improve articles relating to Dance. If you are interested in participating, you may add yourself to Category:Dance Authors, discuss issues on the Dance Workgroup Forum, or simply dive in and begin contributing. If you'd like to be an editor, please follow these instructions and then you may add yourself to Category:Dance Editors.

Genres, locations, and periods

  1. Dance style periods
    1. Medieval dance
    2. Renaissance dance
    3. Baroque dance
      1. Early baroque dance
      2. Late baroque dance.
    4. Classical-era dance.
    5. Contemporary dance.
  1. Trancendial and shifting dance concepts
    1. Contemporary classical dance.
    2. Avant-garde dance.
  2. Dance forms and genre's
    1. Art dance.
    2. Ballet.
    3. Breakdance.
    4. Club.
  3. Dance development by century.
    1. Seventeenth-century dance
    2. Eighteenth-century dance.
    3. Nineteenth-century dance.
    4. Twentieth-century dance.
  1. Western folk and ethnic dance.
    1. Country
    2. Chanson
    3. Rebetika
  2. Non-western folk and classical dance.
    1. Gamelan.
    2. Indian classical music, Indian classical.
      1. Hindustani classical music, Hindustani classical.
    3. Dances of Africa, African dance.
    4. Persian classical dance, Persian classical
  3. Popular/historical
    1. Blues
    2. Jazz
    3. Reggae
  1. Popular/Contemporary
    1. Rhythm and blues
      1. Hip hop and Rap
    2. Latin dance
    3. Rock and roll
    4. Slam Dance
      1. Heavy metal
      2. New Wave
  2. Other
    1. Techno

Other dance topics

  1. Dance
    1. Art dance
    2. Pop dance
    3. Ballet
  2. History of dance
    1. History of Western dance
    2. History of Indian dance
    3. History of Chinese dance
  3. Dance theory
  • END
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