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== This page under construction ==
== This page under construction ==
This is a signed article (by me) and is under construction; I don't yet know what it's final format will be.  It is what I would call an experiment.  However, one of its goals is to provide a more complete history of the town and county as regards race relations.  Per online sources almost everywhere, these are the kinds of lies by omission that have long been carried forwards: 1) there was never school segregation, and there were never any all-black schools, 2) there were never separation of the races (different doors, bathrooms, seating areas, etc), 3) People of color were never required to live in a certain section of town and not allowed to come into the rest of the town except on Mule Day, 4) Men of color were never banned from almost all jobs except picking cotton or tobacco, and 5) There were never lynchings and intimidation and discrimination against blacks.  In this important time of social change, it is time to provide a more honest accounting, and that is one of my main goals in this article.  I grew up in Paris, TN, and still have friends and relatives there whom I regularly keep in touch with.  I am old enough to rcmember when the public schools were first integrated. There are many nice things to know about this small town, but none of those matter in the face of the Big Lie that slavery never happened, the denial that the population percentage of people of color has gone from 25% down to less than 10%, which is undeniably at least in part a product of their still being confederate street and building names, confederate monuments, and widespread silence on the injustices of the past. The silence about these matters has, in my opinion, festered into a poisonous cancer, a boil which needs lancing.
I am working as the lead author on this article, which is under construction. I don't yet know what it's final format will be.  It is what I would call an experiment.  However, one of its goals is to provide a more complete history of the town and county as regards race relations.  The existing history as found on the web is missing huge chunks of interest. A great deal of important information about what happened in the past has been deliberately forgotten, not recorded, actively discouraged from being talked about, or plain old ignored.  This may be in part because the elements related to race relations are simply embarrassing and people would prefer to pretend none of it ever happened. Nowhere was history buried and forgotten and glossed over more fully, with more active enthusiasm, than in the Southern United States.  Trevor Noah, in his auto-biography "Born a Crime", notes that these days even Germany openly and deliberately teaches to children what happened during the Holocaust in World War II, to prevent it ever happening again.  But in the U.S., not so much. He wrote:


I welcome comments and feedback and collaboration--but not wholesale deletion of material at this time without consulting with me first.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 18:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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In American, the history of racism is taught like this: "There was slavery and then there was Jim Crow and then there was Martin Luther King Jr. and now it's done."<ref>"Born a Crime" by Trevor Noah, p. 183:</ref>
</blockquote>


:Pat: You clearly have very string feelings about this topic which seems to be affecting the general tone and quality of this article. BTW, are you familiar with this petition [https://www.change.org/p/the-city-of-paris-tennessee-remove-a-confederate-statue-for-racial-justice/] ? May I remind you, respectfully, that this is an encyclopedia and not a blog, so please don't allow personal opinions and biases to shape this article. re: CZ policy for signed articles, '''credibility''' of the article cannot be compromised, and you also seem to have no published work to qualify as an expert on this topic.. [[User:Pradyumna Singh|Pradyumna Singh]] ([[User talk:Pradyumna Singh|talk]]) 19:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 17:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


::This seems to be an article on a non-notable topic and should either be deleted or stubbed. The Paris Hotel in Las Vegas has more residents and has a much larger 540 foot replica of the Eiffel tower. Phyllis McGuire, has a similarly sized Eiffel Tower in her drawing room [https://eliteagent.com/how-would-you-market-this-60s-party-mansion/] as well as the Arc-de-Triumph. [[User:Pradyumna Singh|Pradyumna Singh]] ([[User talk:Pradyumna Singh|talk]]) 19:33, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
== Note to self on needed reference ==
There is a need to find and place the reference on pre-civil-war schools.  Maybe also the ref on education for free negroes.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 15:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


:::On reviewing the CZ policy on signed articles, it seems the name of this article will have to be amended [https://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Signed_Articles#Signed_articles_on_subpages_only] for compliance. [[User:Pradyumna Singh|Pradyumna Singh]] ([[User talk:Pradyumna Singh|talk]]) 19:37, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
== About former county high schools ==
Before consolidation, there were high schools at Buchanan, Cottage Grove, Henry, Puryear and Springville. [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 13:39, 6 May 2022 (CDT)


::I do recognize that the approach may not seem objective, but this article is in its early stages and I expect it to change a lot. I take your feedback seriously.  Although I could just work on it over in my sandbox, I'd rather have it here and get people's reactions to it so that I can think about those and work on the article to address their concerns. Thanks for reading it. The fact is, they renamed a school this year in Paris, Tennessee--which is HUGE--and that's not in the article yet. The sections now being built are about the distant past, and they need to be reorganized and placed into an appropriate "History" section--and they will.  And there will be more positive things there too. But you've got to understand what really happened--Europeans moved in, conquered the indigenous people and banished them, then instituted slavery, rebelled against the U.S. Government, and then oppressed the freed slaves for another century.  Plus, they pretend like none of that ever happened.  It happened.[[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 21:49, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
== question... ==
 
What is a hushpuppy?  There used to be a brand of suede shoes called hushpuppies.
 
This article seems to imply it is a food item...  [[User:George Swan|George Swan]] ([[User talk:George Swan|talk]]) 10:43, 6 August 2022 (CDT)
 
:In the southern U.S., a hushpuppy is a deep-fried, corn-meal fritter or dumpling, with onions that is typically served with fried fish. A photo here: https://www.thespruceeats.com/thmb/rpGjtoavQXrIUDQ19Cya-fWOuGc=/940x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/beer-batter-hushpuppies-22-56a8c08c3df78cf772a04ebd.jpg [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 13:06, 12 September 2022 (CDT)
 
== Old 23rd district info ==
Would like to work this info into the article at some point: Much of the former Henry County 23rd voting district became part of the Tennessee National Wildlife Refuge system after the creation of Kentucky Lake in 1945.  See https://www.radionwtn.com/2019/07/29/history-of-old-23rd-district-on-program-of-historical-society-meeting/ [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 12:08, 13 September 2022 (CDT)
 
== old image==
File:800px-Henry County Tennessee Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Henry Highlighted 4733400.svg.png<br>
Here's the prior image used for the top of this article.  Also, this one was used earlier but not now: File:Confederate monument.jpg [[User:Pat Palmer|Pat Palmer]] ([[User talk:Pat Palmer|talk]]) 08:52, 16 January 2023 (CST)
 
== needing further re-org ==
* The basic town description should come to the top, and the history parts to the bottom, maybe.
** Maybe the lead-in just briefly mentions the historical highlights, such as the Chickasaw, cotton/tobacco and slavery, Jim Crow and segregation, and factory displacements.

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Back to my sandbox for now

This was in such bad shape that I've moved everything back to my sandbox for now. Hope to bring it back out for collaboration sometime before long.Pat Palmer (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

This page under construction

I am working as the lead author on this article, which is under construction. I don't yet know what it's final format will be. It is what I would call an experiment. However, one of its goals is to provide a more complete history of the town and county as regards race relations. The existing history as found on the web is missing huge chunks of interest. A great deal of important information about what happened in the past has been deliberately forgotten, not recorded, actively discouraged from being talked about, or plain old ignored. This may be in part because the elements related to race relations are simply embarrassing and people would prefer to pretend none of it ever happened. Nowhere was history buried and forgotten and glossed over more fully, with more active enthusiasm, than in the Southern United States. Trevor Noah, in his auto-biography "Born a Crime", notes that these days even Germany openly and deliberately teaches to children what happened during the Holocaust in World War II, to prevent it ever happening again. But in the U.S., not so much. He wrote:

In American, the history of racism is taught like this: "There was slavery and then there was Jim Crow and then there was Martin Luther King Jr. and now it's done."[1]

Pat Palmer (talk) 17:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Note to self on needed reference

There is a need to find and place the reference on pre-civil-war schools. Maybe also the ref on education for free negroes.Pat Palmer (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

About former county high schools

Before consolidation, there were high schools at Buchanan, Cottage Grove, Henry, Puryear and Springville. Pat Palmer (talk) 13:39, 6 May 2022 (CDT)

question...

What is a hushpuppy? There used to be a brand of suede shoes called hushpuppies.

This article seems to imply it is a food item... George Swan (talk) 10:43, 6 August 2022 (CDT)

In the southern U.S., a hushpuppy is a deep-fried, corn-meal fritter or dumpling, with onions that is typically served with fried fish. A photo here: https://www.thespruceeats.com/thmb/rpGjtoavQXrIUDQ19Cya-fWOuGc=/940x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/beer-batter-hushpuppies-22-56a8c08c3df78cf772a04ebd.jpg Pat Palmer (talk) 13:06, 12 September 2022 (CDT)

Old 23rd district info

Would like to work this info into the article at some point: Much of the former Henry County 23rd voting district became part of the Tennessee National Wildlife Refuge system after the creation of Kentucky Lake in 1945. See https://www.radionwtn.com/2019/07/29/history-of-old-23rd-district-on-program-of-historical-society-meeting/ Pat Palmer (talk) 12:08, 13 September 2022 (CDT)

old image

File:800px-Henry County Tennessee Incorporated and Unincorporated areas Henry Highlighted 4733400.svg.png
Here's the prior image used for the top of this article. Also, this one was used earlier but not now: File:Confederate monument.jpg Pat Palmer (talk) 08:52, 16 January 2023 (CST)

needing further re-org

  • The basic town description should come to the top, and the history parts to the bottom, maybe.
    • Maybe the lead-in just briefly mentions the historical highlights, such as the Chickasaw, cotton/tobacco and slavery, Jim Crow and segregation, and factory displacements.
  1. ↑ "Born a Crime" by Trevor Noah, p. 183:
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