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:I agree. Most symphonies don't have names, a tradition that continues with [[Alfred Schnittke|Schnittke]], who died in 1998: not a name in nine. The most famous symphony is probably Beethoven's Fifth (sic). So, composer, number, name if any. Since no-one has touched it lately, I am going to be bold... [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 17:07, 2 November 2007 (CDT) | :I agree. Most symphonies don't have names, a tradition that continues with [[Alfred Schnittke|Schnittke]], who died in 1998: not a name in nine. The most famous symphony is probably Beethoven's Fifth (sic). So, composer, number, name if any. Since no-one has touched it lately, I am going to be bold... [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 17:07, 2 November 2007 (CDT) | ||
:WP gives a good idea of the problematic numbering of Schubert's last two. Recently there was a tendency to call the Unfinished the 7th instead of the 8th, which seemed to be a good idea, as there doesn't seem to be a real 7th...If there really isn't a 7th, I think we should encourage this renumbering. After all, it was successfully done with Dvorak (nº9 was once nº5). [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 17:41, 2 November 2007 (CDT) | :WP gives a good idea of the problematic numbering of Schubert's last two. Recently there was a tendency to call the Unfinished the 7th instead of the 8th, which seemed to be a good idea, as there doesn't seem to be a real 7th...If there really isn't a 7th, I think we should encourage this renumbering. After all, it was successfully done with Dvorak (nº9 was once nº5). [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 17:41, 2 November 2007 (CDT) | ||
:Are we going to have 'Symphony' every time? The example of Stravinsky raises this. ''Symphony in C'' is never called Symphony in C major. The other two mature symphonies have even more titular appendages. The CZ Stravinsky authors have italics for all his works | :Are we going to have 'Symphony' every time? The example of Stravinsky raises this. ''Symphony in C'' is never called Symphony in C major. The other two mature symphonies have even more titular appendages. The CZ Stravinsky authors have italics for all his works. Having 'Symphony' every time would make it easier to import Haydn's 104 from WP. [[User:Ro Thorpe|Ro Thorpe]] 20:38, 2 November 2007 (CDT) | ||
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I don't think the number of the symphony is a good way to list them. I suggest alphabetically by the nicknames, which are quite famous usually. --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 02:12, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
- Won't bother me. I tend to remember more numbers than names, I think, except for the really really famous names. The only think I can think wrong with your idea is that some don't have names. Some sites give more than one list, by composer, by number, by name--honestly I don't mind; whatever people think is best. Aleta Curry 02:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
- Yes, the few without names will need numbers, but we could list them at the end. Alternatively, I suppose we could order them by composer, but I think it is more useful by nickname. Let's wait for someone else to comment, before doing anything :-) --Martin Baldwin-Edwards 02:24, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
I would think that historical order, grouped by composer, would be the most sensible. :-) My unofficial $0.02. --Larry Sanger 08:33, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
- I agree. Most symphonies don't have names, a tradition that continues with Schnittke, who died in 1998: not a name in nine. The most famous symphony is probably Beethoven's Fifth (sic). So, composer, number, name if any. Since no-one has touched it lately, I am going to be bold... Ro Thorpe 17:07, 2 November 2007 (CDT)
- WP gives a good idea of the problematic numbering of Schubert's last two. Recently there was a tendency to call the Unfinished the 7th instead of the 8th, which seemed to be a good idea, as there doesn't seem to be a real 7th...If there really isn't a 7th, I think we should encourage this renumbering. After all, it was successfully done with Dvorak (nº9 was once nº5). Ro Thorpe 17:41, 2 November 2007 (CDT)
- Are we going to have 'Symphony' every time? The example of Stravinsky raises this. Symphony in C is never called Symphony in C major. The other two mature symphonies have even more titular appendages. The CZ Stravinsky authors have italics for all his works. Having 'Symphony' every time would make it easier to import Haydn's 104 from WP. Ro Thorpe 20:38, 2 November 2007 (CDT)