Talk:Francophobia

"racism" is not the right word here, as it assumes a permanent genetic superiority on the part of group X, but group X is never mentioned and the genetic/biological theme is never discussed.

Thank you for the comment. :-)

This definition racism seems to be one of the two that are possible. I was able to find two different meanings for this word in general dictionaries. One that agrees with what you say

• a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race Merriam-Webster

• the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of other races are not as good as the members of your own, or the resulting unfair treatment of members of other races Cambridge

• The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. American Heritage Dictionary

• (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races) WordNet

and another one (the sense that was used in the article)

• racial prejudice or discrimination Merriam-Webster

• Discrimination or prejudice based on race. American Heritage Dictionary

• (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race) WordNet

What do you think? I believe that Francophobia is a variety of racism, not the kind of racism where the French would be intrinsically inferior, but the kind of racism where people are rated as a whole with often biased views. This is why I believe that the word racism would be relevant. I'd like to hear what you think. :-)

Hugo Voisard 01:20, 30 November 2007 (CST)

Reference formatting

I made some formatting changes (to allow for multiple calls to the same reference), perhaps a little carelessly. I had to save the changes to see how things appeared in the reference section (doesn't appear in the preview), to realize that I had removed other html codes while attempting to change only two references calls (This epic story can be viewed in the history page). I think I solved the problems. If I changed something you'd rather not see changed, just undo the changes; no problem. The use of the name="......." code remains very useful, doesn't it? --Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 14:19, 29 November 2007 (CST)

This is definitely an issue that will have to be solved, although I haven't see a difference on the page. I'll look deeper into this soon.

Hugo Voisard 01:20, 30 November 2007 (CST)

Check reference number 3. You'll see that there is 3.1 and 3.0, i think. Other refs have to be formatted the same way, I just tried to give an example...

Something went wrong (again!), this time with ref. 7. I'll take care of it. VERY carefully. --Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 02:50, 30 November 2007 (CST)

France

isn't Francophobia a hostilty toward France as a nation? that's the British sense, esp post Napoleon (and the American sense in pre-Sarkozy days) Richard Jensen 14:29, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Francophobia directed at Quebecers, which is generally called Quebec bashing, (in English and in French as well...) results from a faulty amalgam between Quebec and French cultures; however, Quebec bashing has many features in common with the hostility towards metropolitan France: the "French" are seen as cowards and losers (because they lost colonial wars), and as people lacking hygiene. The best known examples of overt hostility directed against Quebecers were once found in Don Cherry's editorials, which were widely broadcasted during Hockey Night in Canada (his editorials are now controlled by CBC), an institution in the country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Quebec_sentiment#Don_Cherry. Cherry uses "French" to describe Quebecers. I think that his use of terms is representative. For this reason, I would suggest we keep Quebec bashing as a specific case of francophobia, even though it is obviously inaccurate.  : --Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 20:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)

Are you sure "Quebec bashing" is commonly used in English? In French, there is no doubt for me that this is a common term, actually the established one. But for English, I have doubts. To give you an example, the French Wikipedia article is Quebec bashing, but the English one is Anti-Quebec sentiment. This being said, this could of course be yet some sort of censorship (if Quebec-bashing is the commonly-used name) on Wikipedia. Incidentally, there is an edition war at the moment on the English article, whose name used to be "Quebec-bashing". - Hugo Voisard 01:20, 30 November 2007 (CST)

No. not commonly, you're right. A google search shows that there is a usage of the term, but that it is not common. But would you say it is because a) there's another more common term, or b) because there is no common term for this?

I'd say intuitively: b)

I'm going to ask english-speaking Montrealers around me. My feeling is that they will aknowledge this is the most frequent term, although it is rare...

--Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 02:19, 30 November 2007 (CST)

I don't know what would be more common. It's a great idea to ask around you. I wonder what will come up! :-)

Hugo Voisard 01:37, 1 December 2007 (CST)