Talk:Theodor Lohmann/Draft

Article creation & translation

Despite the fact that we have the same surname, I have no known relation to Theodor Lohmann reaching back at least five generations. My translation and posting of this article is based solely on my interest in social policy and my recent discovery of T. Lohmann in Gordon Craig's Germany, 1866-1945, and my belief that he is a figure of comparable importance (but a different career trajectory!) to social security administrators like Wilbur Cohen and Arthur Altmeyer in the U.S. system. English language sources I will add in the near future share this assessment. Despite the fact that he is apparently fairly well known in Germany and at least slightly known to American historians like Craig, he is a complete unknown to social policy specialists in the U.S.

A close comparison of my translation with the German wikipedia entry would be advisable, since my German is quite shaky. Roger Lohmann 18:57, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Articles now compared. CZ article edited and restructured, incl. subpage transfers etc.  Arne Eickenberg  talk 11:36, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Not WP

The article at the German Wikipedia is obviously based on the copyrighted article by Renate Zitt for the BBKL. However, the WP article (and the current CZ version) leave out much of the auxiliary information, party politics etc.. Maybe it can be added to the CZ article if it's of importance. In any case, since the WP article is not original, not even in the choosing of the sources, a WP-tag here at CZ is not needed. The article should however be further compared to the BBKL-entry to ensure a safe amount of originality.  Arne Eickenberg  talk 12:11, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

Wonderful job, Arne! Thanks so much for your help and all your contributions! Roger Lohmann 19:54, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

APPROVED Version 1.0

Good job all! Congratulations Roger! --Matt Innis (Talk) 08:25, 2 October 2007 (CDT)

Discussion for Version 1.0 stopped here. Please continue further discussion under this break.

Re-approval request, August 2012

The revised version of this article contains a number of additions, corrections and other changes, including a number of additional links to related articles. Also included is a small map of the principal locations of Lohmann's life. Roger A. Lohmann 12:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I nominate this article for updated Approval of the current Draft version. Roger A. Lohmann 23:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Approval Process: Approval certified

Call for review: Anthony.Sebastian 21:09, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Call for Approval: Anthony.Sebastian 21:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Approval Notice: Anthony.Sebastian 19:52, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Certification of Approval: Anthony.Sebastian 22:41, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Comments

I would find my understanding of Theodor Lohmann's life and work enhanced if the article gave a little more background on 19th century German and Prussian governments, and the living conditions of the people, including the economic situation, and the social and religious situation.

This was the period of German unification under the largely protestant and autocratic Prussia of the first Wilhelm and the Junker Bismarck and the Catholic Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian Empire was in full flower.

A map covering Lohmann's differing living and work locations might also help.

Some mentionables would seem to require explanation, perhaps only as footnotes. For example, what is "Inner Mission"? --Anthony.Sebastian 10:20, 11 March 2008 (CDT) --reiterated, Anthony.Sebastian 21:16, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
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This was the period of German unification under largely protestant Prussia and the Catholic Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian Empire was in full flower.

Do we have any map specialists currently working?

The Inner Mission is explained in a separate article rather than an enhanced section here.Roger A. Lohmann 20:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Roger, I will query the community re map specialists. For one map of Europe, what year+/- would best serve for Theodor Lohmann? Did you already check Wikimedia Commons for maps: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ? Anthony.Sebastian 23:34, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Anthony, I suppose a pre-World War I map showing Prussia and the united Germany or even Austro-Hungary would be best. Roger A. Lohmann 14:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

←Roger, the following links to historical maps of Germany may prove useful. You might choose to insert more than one, in appropriate sections of the article. Anthony.Sebastian 17:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Historical Maps of Germanyy:

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map-AustroPrussianWar.svg

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map-AustroPrussianWar-annexed.svg

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deutscher_Bund.png

• http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norddeutscher_Bund.png

Anthony.Sebastian 17:51, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

University of Texas has an amazing collection of maps online, including

quite a few older ones. Many are in the public domain.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/

The one time I asked permission to re-use one of these on a wiki, it was

readily granted.

http://wikitravel.org/shared/File:Shanghai1907.jpg

Wikitravel has a page on creating maps:

http://wikitravel.org/en/Wikitravel:How_to_make_a_map

Wikimedia commons and open street maps are other places to look for maps. Sandy Harris 00:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Sandy. Anthony.Sebastian 00:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Anthony - Most of the maps I've looked at are far too busy for the purpose of pinpointing the communities involved unless we want an absolutely huge map. I've located a blank line drawing of Europe and am currently editing it to focus on Northwest Germany. It shows the pre-WWI boundaries of Prussia, Hanover, et. al., and I may be able to color these. In any case, I should have something to post in draft form in a day or two. Roger A. Lohmann 22:09, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Very creative. Anthony.Sebastian 00:57, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Ready for Approval

With the addition of the map it appears that there is nothing more to be added to this article at this time. The revised article should be ready for approval at this point. Roger A. Lohmann 14:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Roger, I already certified it for re-approval, and Matt replaced the previously approved version with your revised version. See the Main Article.

BTW: Are you still planning to help out with Politics? Anthony.Sebastian 23:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I realize I'm being slow, but I've been collecting notes and am about to start drafting some additional language. Roger A. Lohmann 23:41, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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